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"CB" (jrcb) 07/09/2019 at 00:32 • Filed to: Those kids are going to be car enthusiasts

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The extra large spoiler is what sells it for me.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 07/09/2019 at 00:38

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Those things in top spec are still $$$$

and 100 more > CB 07/09/2019 at 00:44

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I keep seeing these lately. Every time I do, my interest in driving one is incrementally increased.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > CB 07/09/2019 at 03:08

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Is that a Premacy badge I see on the back?

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > and 100 more 07/09/2019 at 03:12

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They’re more fun than any minivan has a right to be, especially when equipped with the 6MT (like mine). I haven't regretted this purchase once.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > CB 07/09/2019 at 07:30

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I just wish they seated 7 and had a V6 option.

The lack of the 7th passenger and lack of power are deal killers for me.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/09/2019 at 08:17

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In other countries they do seat seven, but it’s a very narrow vehicle by American standards, sized more for Europe and Asia, and I’m sure it would be terribly uncomfortable when crammed with Americans . It’s so narrow that I use the passenger armrest, and driving with boots on is a challenge.

For me, the power issue isn’t a problem, but I drive by myself 98% of the time. I can imagine that performance would be an issue of you regularly fill ed the seats, but d riving solo it’s reasonable quick when equipped with the 6MT.

It sounds like what you’re looking for is this:

Nice vehicle - much larger than a 5 and equipped with a V6. Too big for my needs, although there have been a few times I could have used the extra height in the back.

Brickfoot Ginger > and 100 more 07/09/2019 at 08:40

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Its a fun ride and has decent power for a NA 4.  I have a ‘12 so its the second gen withe the 2.5, but then my comparison is a Mazda2, and before that a Protege5.  Sure loaded up with 4 people, 2 meduim dogs and a weeks worth of camping gear and toys its not the quickest, but why the rush?

and 100 more > Brickfoot Ginger 07/09/2019 at 10:01

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I did a test dri ve in a P5 once and it will always hold a special place in my heart as the one that got away. I think that why I’m so curious about the 5. To see i f it’s anything at all like the P5.

and 100 more > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 07/09/2019 at 10:02

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That’s what I keep hearing.

What kinda fuel mile age  do you get in it?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 07/09/2019 at 10:16

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But the 5 is about the same size as my Voyager! The MPV is too big for the interior space IMO.

I’ve driven a couple manual 5s, I always find them lacking in power, but I’m used to torquey V6s in light vans.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/09/2019 at 10:46

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I’d have to look at the specs, but I can’t believe that a C aravan is as narrow as a 5. Maybe the same length and height, but not width. It’s tight.

A V6 would be nice, but I absolutely hate working on transverse V6s, especially when simple things, like plugs, can only be accessed from underneath as was the case with the Windscar. 157HP in the 5 isn’t a lot, but the engine does love to rev and it’s a joy to zip it up to redline. I was used to doing this in my 525i, a similarly low-powered vehicle, but if you’re used to American-style low-end torque off the line it will be a disappointment. The ‘d rive it like you stole it’ technique  is often what’s necessary to get the best out of it.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > and 100 more 07/09/2019 at 10:50

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About 30 on the highway if I'm careful. City driving for me usually ranges from 17 to 19, but that's only because I push it frequently and enjoy zipping up to redline. When I had surgery and couldn't drive, my mother got the rated 21 MPG, but since I don't drive like a 74 year old woman in not likely to see that kind of mileage again...  :)

Brickfoot Ginger > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 07/09/2019 at 11:19

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I’d say its like the P5. Kinda underpowered and fun to bounce off the redline on twisty backroads.

I’ve gotten 31mpg highway lately, but thats keeping it around 55ish. We’ll see how it does fully loaded with the roof basket on. I leave on Thursday for a 14hr drive to vacation in Canada.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 07/09/2019 at 12:13

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The 5 is 3" longer, but 2" narrower than my Voyager. So realistically, very close.

I will say newer V6s are a PITA to work on, but in a simple layout like my vans, they’re a breeze.

My Voyager was roughly 175hp/230ft-lbs when the 3.8 was still powering it and it weighs about the same as the 5, so being short 20 hp and 60 ft-lbs would feel quite sluggish compared to what I’m used to, no matter how hard I wrung it out.

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 07/09/2019 at 13:35

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I think the extra length is all in the nose for safety reasons. With the third row up there is not much space for cargo. The width? It may o nly two inches, but you can definitely feel it...

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. 07/09/2019 at 16:02

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I think the cramped width is due to “safety” as well. 2" outside is likely 6-8" inside.

Ash78, voting early and often > CB 07/11/2019 at 08:52

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Mazdaspeed5 needed to be a thing.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15391593/return-of-the-boss-wagon-mazdaspeed-5/